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LISTENING SPACE REFLECTION – PART 2

By Lani Parker and Marion Damnit

Image is Tools by Dylan Foley, October 9th 2009,
some rights reserved. It shows a wooden toolbox with multicoloured tools.

This is Part 2 of a blog from October 20th about a project we did called The Listening Space, which was an experimental, multiracial space for peer listening and support, aimed at disabled people and people with long-term health conditions. In part 1 we talked about our thinking behind the project. Part 2 talks about how we put it into practice. It will make more sense if you read part 1 first.

How do we make this real?

In the first session we created ground rules as a group, to guide how to be with each other in the space. We went into detail about each person’s access needs and talked about what it means to be listened to and what good listening looks like for each person in the space. We also talked about not flattening out differences and power inequalities between us, and not presuming that our own experiences are the same as someone else’s. We talked about the importance of listening to each other across our differences, of reaching towards each other for connection, while not erasing the ways in which we may be implicated in each other’s oppression. 

We began each session with a short grounding exercise. We have learned from Healing Justice London that this is important because listening is an embodied practice. If you feel more grounded in your body it’s easier to make connections with other people. Experiences of oppression can lead to us being disconnected from our body and from others. This is why we felt the grounding exercise was important, particularly in an online space, but this needed more work. 

We then had a quick go round in which each person said something about how they were feeling (approximately 2 minutes). We then had another go round in which each person could say whatever they wanted for 3 minutes. One of our participants, who was very involved in shaping the group, suggested using an overarching question or theme for the week. We then had a ‘response round’. One participant suggested to start each response round with thinking of something that struck you from other people’s rounds. This is a technique from narrative therapy. This was an effective way of encouraging connection between the listeners and something which we will develop in future spaces. 

We shared time equally, so each person had the same amount of time to speak (or otherwise express themselves) without interruption. As facilitators we also took part in the rounds, which reduced the sense of hierarchy. This worked well and we would recommend others to do this. I (Marion) found equal timings particularly useful as I often worry I have spoken too much or not enough. The part of me that was socialised as a woman doesn’t want to take up space, but my whiteness and middle-class-ness does. This type of taking up space has been facilitated by the professionalisation/depoliticisation of consciousness raising in academic Women’s Studies and in counselling, as well as white feminist subcultures. 

The format of specified times where one person speaks and others are quiet can also feel a bit unnatural, and may be inaccessible to neurodivergent people and others. I (Marion) also wondered if ‘talking about your feelings’ in the way mainstream therapy teaches may be normative. Mel Baggs has written about ‘nice lady therapists’ who pressure people to express feelings in an abstract way, which is culturally middle class, and impossible for some neurodiverse people.

Participation and trust online

Listening to people online is different from face to face. It seemed more difficult online to express empathy in an organic, sincere way, that is not misunderstood, especially at the beginning of the pandemic when doing everything online was new to many, and while we were a group that didn’t all know each other already. As a facilitator, I (Lani) got the impression that people didn’t feel fully listened to from the unstructured responses that were given. Having the meetings online also made it more difficult to facilitate the feelings and experiences of fear, panic and dread produced by the crisis while remaining calm and showing empathy. Not being in the same physical space creates a distance which makes the quality of the connection different – as well as adding technical issues such as time lags. This was another reason why the grounding exercises were important. 

It was good that the space was flexible so people could come and go as it suited them. Those who participated regularly in the space felt supported. However, we think that we underestimated the time needed to really build up trusting relationships. There were some who had already built strong relationships who engaged in the group to a greater extent, while others may not have felt listened to and we are aware that one person left feeling triggered. It would have been useful to build into the guidelines more on how we can be accountable to each other if and when we’ve caused harm. 

Practising deep listening and accountability can play a key part in social change, relationship building and healing. Peer support, and along with it, deep listening and solidarity, is in no way only about talking. Not everyone likes to talk. And although the Listening Space focussed on this, there are many different ways to listen to each other. Social justice spaces and disabled communities have developed lots of tools for communication, and there is much more to do.

Listening Space Reflection

By Lani Parker and Marion Damnit

Part 1

The coronavirus pandemic and the response to it has exacerbated attitudes and structures of ableism, racism, classism and cis-hetero-patriarchy. Many of us are building spaces where we can support each other and mitigate the effects on the most impacted. This includes spaces for healing and repairing injustice. The Listening Space was an experimental, multiracial space for peer listening and support, aimed at disabled people and people with long-term health conditions. This was not counselling, and it was not about ‘fixing’ ourselves or saying there is anything wrong with us. It was to make connections and support each other, share our experiences, knowledge and wisdom, and strengthen our listening skills at a time when we are particularly isolated. 

We ran the Listening Space weekly for 6 weeks from 16th April to 21st May, when the COVID-19 pandemic was in its early stages in England. It was led by Lani who is an experienced peer support facilitator in London, and assisted by Marion, an experienced organiser, in Manchester. We based the space in an intersectional understanding of disability and ableism as inextricable from other forms of oppression (racism, classism, cisheteropatriarchy) and capitalism. We drew on a Disability Justice perspective, developed by disabled, queer and working class people of colour in the US (although as facilitators, we are both white). 

Why listening?  

Listening deeply can be a way to be by someone’s side, which can bring about connection and change. We can use deep listening to process our personal experiences of oppression, listen to others with different experiences, think about those experiences and how they relate to our own, become part of something bigger than just ourselves and build collective power. These practices have been used in the consciousness raising movement and in popular education.

Neoliberal capitalism encourages us to talk, for example, through the mental health industrial complex. But are we really listening? Oppression encourages us to focus on our differences and be suspicious of other marginalised people who have different experiences, or to pretend that we are all the same. Neither of these practices involve really listening to each other. If we could really listen to each other’s pain, perhaps we could listen to the ways we have been complicit in that pain and the systems that support it. Perhaps we would do things differently. 

Really listening to people and being listened to can be scary as it can bring up things we are not expecting. Many people are traumatised and there is very little deep long-term support for trauma which honours all of our identities and does not try to ‘fix’ us. We may numb ourselves in order to survive. Even if we are not traumatised, many of us are acting on stress responses all the time, both in the present and from our past.1 It makes it hard to engage with these difficult, deep issues in the long-term way necessary to really create a different society without oppression.

A thought on trust and accountability

We tend to get defensive or protective of people if somebody says they feel bad about something. We want to reassure them that they are doing their best. I (Marion) have often experienced this from counsellors or friends. But deep listening would be to support the person to be accountable and make the changes they want to make.

It may be obvious to say, but it takes time to build the trust needed for deep listening. In our personal experience of ‘activist’ spaces, it can feel like there is an expectation for us to already be perfect and this can inhibit us from really being ourselves and building authentic connections. Relationships can feel conditional on knowing the correct language and doing or being a particular way. For the two of us, this has sometimes led to us feeling disengaged from spaces and engaging in what feels like a superficial, performative way, while leaning on other sources for emotional and practical support. We wanted the listening space to be a place where people could be themselves while also engaging in anti-oppressive practice.

Listening is an important part of allowing people to be themselves. But being yourself is difficult when parts of your identity are marginalised. It can be difficult to put your own stuff aside and listen to others if you have a deep need to be listened to yourself. For example, disabled people often feel we are not really listened to. But how we’re listened to and how we listen to others is shaped by all aspects of our identity. As white disabled facilitators, we are aware that whiteness often shows up as a sense of entitlement to speak and to question others without needing to be vulnerable or our safety being compromised. But mutual aid means reciprocity and building deeper solidarity. If ‘we refuse to listen until we are heard, will not be allies until we have allies’, nothing changes (Aurora Levins Morales).

Listening is an important part of accountability and potentially in restructuring power relations. But this is hard to achieve in reality. Much of the recent thinking about accountability has come from prison abolitionists. We are trying to learn ways to hold each other to account which are not carceral, meaning about reparation, not punishment. In this we have found the work of D Hunter useful. He writes about times when he has harmed others and others have harmed him, and about his attempts to find ways to hold them to account and to be held accountable for his actions. Prison abolionists, such as the generation5 collective, engage with questions of serious harm such as child sexual abuse. We agree with Hunter that we need to engage in a similar way with the small everyday acts of harm as well. If we don’t deal with the small things we can’t deal with the big things…

Click here to read Part 2 on how we applied this in practice.

1 The Listening Space was not a safe space for people in active mental health crisis.

Discussion group on Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha’s Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice

We enter this new decade faced with huge challenges, including emboldened nationalisms and racism, climate crisis, narratives of scarcity and the continued neoliberal destruction of local communities, public spaces and support services.

In these times, it is crucial that we continue to make space to imagine and practice cultures of care; to create and develop practices which challenge the idea that some people are disposable. This year, therefore, we have decided to focus our attention on the themes of care and solidarity.

picture of the book Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice.We thought a great way to start us off would be to spend time engaging with and reflecting on Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha’s work on care and disability justice. This includes her recently published book Care Work: Dreaming Disability Justice (also available as an Audible audio book).

If you are not able to access the book, there are also a number of podcasts and videos you can listen to and watch:

Here’s a description from the back of the book:

Care Work is a mapping of access as radical love, a celebration of the work that sick and disabled queer/people of color are doing to find each other and to build power and community, and a tool kit for everyone who wants to build radically resilient, sustainable communities of liberation where no one is left behind.  Care Work is a crucial and necessary call to arms.

We will be meeting to discuss the book at the beginning of March and hope that you can join us!

WHEN: Tuesday 3rd March, 7-9pm

WHERE: Ringcross Community Centre, 60 Lough Rd, London N7 8RH

FOOD: There will be a vegan meal available.

TRANSPORT, ACCESSIBILITY, CHILDREN: The nearest Tube station is Caledonian Road (this is wheelchair accessible) and the nearest Overground station is Caledonian Road and Barnsbury (also wheelchair accessible), both about 5 minute walk away. Nearby buses include 153, 259, 17, and 91.

The venue is wheelchair accessible, with an accessible toilet, although it does not have an automatic door or a hoist. The toilets will be gender neutral. There is no childcare provided but kids are welcome! If you have other access needs, please get in touch by emailing sidewaystimespodcast@gmail.com

RSVP: Please email sidewaystimespodcast@gmail.com, Tweet us or RSVP via the Facebook event to let us know if you’re coming, so that we can make sure there is enough food.

If you would like to join remotely, please get in touch in advance and we will send you a video link to join.

Sideways Times founder Lani Parker shares her thoughts on disability justice and interdependence

Going against the flow

We’re talking about a human relationship of interdependence that values everybody as part of the world that we live in. And not only people but the whole world.

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Lani: Welcome to Sideways Times, a new UK-based podcast in which we talk about the politics of disability and disability justice. Through this podcast I hope to have many conversations which broaden, deepen and challenge our understanding of how to work against ableism and how this connects to other struggles. I’m Lani Parker, and in this edition Andrea D’Cruz interviews me, following requests from some people to hear more of my perspective. We mainly talk about some of my thoughts around disability justice and interdependence, following many conversations with many amazing people.

Andrea: I first learnt about the framework of disability justice from having conversations with you, and it’s something that’s come up in a few of the previous podcasts that you’ve recorded – so I though it’d be really nice if we could have a whole podcast that was you talking about what disability justice means, and what it means to you personally, so maybe we could start – could you give me 3 sentences on what disability justice is, or what it means to you?

Lani: OK, so… disability justice as a framework was kind of put together by some disabled women of colour, or disabled people of colour, in the States, and to me the key things about it are that it connects issues and movements together, and that it has – it’s radically anti-capitalist, and that it has a commitment to interdependence and valuing the gifts that disabled people bring to the world, and so there’s lots of aspects to it, but I would say those are more than 3 sentences, but a little bit about what I think.

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“Disability justice is the art and the practice of honouring the body” An interview with Lydia X.Z. Brown

In this interview Lydia X.Z Brown  talks about disability justice as a praxis which honours the body and the whole person. Disability justice is a radical framework which requires understanding the interconnected nature of oppression and that we must tackle all forms of oppression in order to change the system we live in. We also talk about differences in language,  tensions within disability movements and the importance of using a variety of tactics amongst other things….

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Conversation with Eleanor Lisney on Disability, Intersectionality and more

Eleanor Lisney is a founding member of Sisters of Frida, has lived in 4 countries, has 2 children, is an active member of the National Union of Journalists, and tweets at @e_lisney.

Eleanor has been involved with disability movement(s) in the UK since the 1980s. In this podcast she talks about some of what she’s learned from her involvement and why Sisters of Frida’s work is important. We also explore Eleanor’s current thinking about the differences between disability rights and disability justice, the importance of intersectionality, and the meaning of feminism.

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